Should Progressives Criticize Progressives at Progressive Blogs?

Cross-posted at the Francis L. Holland Blog
and Culture Kitchen.

Because I have repeatedly criticized Markos Moulitsas (Kos) and DailyKos at Culture Kitchen and Daily Gotham, the publishers and responsibles at those two blogs, including Liza Sabater, "Mole333" and Michael Bouldin are actively considering banning me from these associated publications, censoring my opinions, unless I cease my criticisms there of Kos and DailyKos.  To be fair, they also claim that my advocacy has been "rude" and "unscrupulous".

With all due respect to all parties:  To me, fighting for the opportunity to share opinions with which others disagree, on issues of importance to me and others in the "progressive" blogosphere, has become an unwelcomed yet fundamental fight in the effort to engage in a discussion of who should be our next President and what policies our government should pursue.  

"Progressive" ideas and behaviors should no more be immune to criticism than conservative ones, although the goal and nature of criticism of progressive people and ideas is to make our community stronger and better, so that our Democratic Party electoral prospects can be maximized.

There is a self-fulfilling prophecy about the "unanimity" and trends of opinion in the "progressive" blogosphere:  The more progressive Democrats are expelled for expressing disgreement, the more unanimous, homogenous and unrepresentative will be the community that remains.  DailyKos Straw Polls Unrepresentative If enough Democratic progressives are expelled, then absolute agreement on all issues might be achieved, but only among a community all of whose members could fit comfortably in a large wooden row boat.

That increasingly small community will be be increasingly homogenous and insular, limited by its own terms, and consisting of, and representing, progressively fewer and fewer members of the Democratic Party and the American public.  There simply are not enough progressives in America to continually grow membership while continually purging members.  

Is the goal of progressives to become elite and insular and, if so, what effect will this have on progressives' practical ability and moral authority to foment societal change?

And so I have publicly responded as follows to the responsible people at Culture Kitchen and Daily Gotham concerning their warning that they are considering pulling my writing from their virtual shelves and censoring my opinions:

Dear Liza, David, Michael and Culture Kitchen Readers:

I have carefully read Mole333's essay of today on "Community Dynamics and Standards" at Culture Kitchen and Daily Gotham , and I hope the following will be mostly responsive if not completely satisfactory.  I certainly regret any unnecessary discomfort or unpleasant I may have caused by my recent manner of advocacy.  

Thank you for publicly stating your reasons for considering banning me from the Culture Kitchen and Daily Gotham blogs.  I believe that all blogs should give their readers and posters the respect of making transparent decisions about the pruning of public discourse, rather than practice the secret abortions of public opinion that have become all too common in the blogosphere.

I believe you have already done your duty to Markos and everyone in the "progressive" and Democratic communities by stating unequivocally that my opinion are my own and that you do not necessarily endorse anything I say simply by virtue of it being posted at Culture Kitchen.  Since people often take opposition positions in their advocacy, e.g. theist and atheist, you obviously cannot be said to endorse everything that is posted at Culture Kitchen.  The mere fact of allowing someone to post an opinion does not mean that you endorse or agree with it.  I think you have made this perfectly clear.

If the progressive blogosphere is NOT the place to criticize and rail against Markos and DailyKos, then what IS the place?  Should we go directly to the mainstream media with our criticisms, airing our dirty progressive laundry in public?  Should we publish our disagreements among Democrats in the Kos Attacks Dem Contender in WaPost  , as Markos did when he attacked Hillary Clinton last year?  Or should we address issues first among ourselves on the Left, no matter how uncomfortable it may be?  When Markos expelled me from DailyKos, he effectively compelled me to take my issues with him to a wider audience.

I agree with you that correspondence that is intended to be private should remain private.  However, I also strongly hold that any demands that a writer refrain from writing about a certain subject and threats to ban (censor) a writer should be made in public, except in the rare cases where public notice would risk libel or invasion of the privacy of a private individual.  

With respect to anything that is published in a blog, it seems to me that anything that is published for public viewing anywhere can be reasonably reprinted anywhere else.  The value added of the Internet is that it effectively makes "one cloth" out of all of the pieces published on the Internet, through linking of pages as well as through citation and quotes.  Once we publish something, we have no control over how it may be used or when or where.  

So, once you publish an opinion or information at Culture Kitchen or Daily Gotham, that publication can never be private again and its uses are really beyond all of our control.  If you say at Daily Gotham that you oppose racism and I re-publish that opinion at the Francis L. Holland Blog, in a new context, that in now way implies that you have endorsed me or my blog, except to the extent that your actual words say that you have.  However, it is inevitable that if you post against racism others will repeat your ideas in many forums.  And the fact that I announce that an idea is "Cross-posted at Culture Kitchen" no more implies an endorsement by you than a library endorses a book by including that book among the stacks.  

However, when a library removes all of the books of a certain author from the stacks, that DOES have a very important meaning - CENSORSHIP.  "Banning" at a blog is the digital equivalent of censorship - or book burning - at a brick and mortar library, because the intention is the same:  To prevent the public from accessing and considering all of the views available on a particular subject.  

Transparency is crucial to the free flow and exchange of ideas.  When you privately order me to desist from criticizing a public figure like Markos Moulitsas, or a public blog like DailyKos, you are engaging in censorship of information that is crucial to the public's right to know.  When you consider censoring such information, the public has a right to know what information and opinions are being intentionally restricted and withheld, and they have a right to know why.

Markos Moulitsas is "chairman" of a political force - DailyKos - that is attempting to change our society in fundamental ways, including influencing the choice of our next president.  Kos Attacks Dem Contender in WaPost  The public has a need and a right to have more information about Markos and DailyKos to decide whether he and his blog have the moral authority, standing and judgment to push the Democratic Party in the directions that they propose.  This is an urgent public policy matter that is far more important than any individual's friendship or association with Markos or others at DailyKos.  We are speaking about the direction of a nation and its foreign policy, and so  institutional and personal loyalties (and animosities) need to be subsumed to the larger good.

Nor does the perceived "rudeness" of a particular author justify censorship of some or all of that author's opinions, short of pervasive vulgarity or the use of invidious epithets based immutable physical characteristics.  The appropriate response to someone whom you or others perceive to be rude is to ignore or challenge that person - not to ban that person's ideas from public consideration.  

And yet the latter response - authoritarianism - is all-too-common at blogs of the Left and the Right.  Some of us may be constitutionally or situationally incapable of presenting our opinions in a deferential way, but that does not mean that society can safely ignore our opinions without negative consequences devolving from that policy.  Everyone has a right to speak at the risk of being ignored or challenged.

Markos believes he knows who should be elected President in 2008 (and who should not) and he will undoubtedly endorse a candidate in the primaries, arguing that he represents the "netroots".  I disagree that he represents the netroots based on the homogenous nature of DailyKos demographics.  I also believe that an understanding of Markos history, motives and institutional behavior is relevant to the public's judgment of the weight that Markos endorsement should be given.  

Markos consistently criticizes whomever he chooses to criticize, including Democratic politicians and other progressives, and in terms that are frequently harsh and uncharitable.  For anyone to try to  squelch criticism of Markos, his blog and his views is unjust and repugnant.  It perpetuates the monopoly of information and opinion by an "old boys' network."  

The more anyone endeavors to prevent others from challenging Markos' opinions throughout the blogosphere, the more certain is the revolt against the authoritarian and totalitarian impulses manifested in any such attempted control.

Too often "progressive" blog publishers feel a need and moral obligation to consider whether the views of Democratic Party blog participants remain worthy of consideration by the public.  I submit to you that that is a fundamental misconception about the role of a progressive blog publisher.  A blog should leave to public the role of sorting out what is true and what is false, not by censoring views and information, but by forcefully and publicly refuting erroneous views and information.  If I unfairly criticize Markos, then let his supporters and bystanders say so publicly, offering other information and perspectives so that everyone can be better informed.  Both criticism and praise will increase publication of Markos' ideas, but no one has a right to have their ideas, advocacy and public behavior go unchallenged.  Not even Markos Moulitsas.

Too often, the "progressive" blogosphere is like a theatrical playhouse where the owners and even the audience may disconnect the lights at any moment if they dislike the content of the play.  Far be it from "progressives" to simply walk out on a play themselves, leaving those who do NOT walk out to continue enjoying the festivities.  Once progressives decide that a play has no value, they act on a strong need to assure that no one sees the play.  "Banning" which is the digital equivalent of burning a book while forbidding the author to write another one for this audience.

With all respect to the owners of progressive blogs, in the competitive marketplace of "progressive" ideas, the best ideas should win the competition - not merely the ideas favored by those who own the means of production.   http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/6/9023/ 89169#commenttop

Certainly, we should not argue ideas and points merely to make others angry or uncomfortable.  Yet, ideas that come to be generally accepted (the end of apartheid, the roundness of the Earth) often do start out as ideas with which many people strongly disagree.

Markos Salavadoran heritage is no reason in itself for feeling ambivalent about criticism of Markos.  With his half-Greek and half-Salvadoran heritage, and based on photographs of him, Markos is, in my opinion, is what is called a "white Hispanic" in the US Census.  

Hispanics may be of any race. The terms
"Hispanic" and "Latino" are used interchange-
ably in this report.  US Census 2000  

Markos deserves the respect due to any human being regardless of his skin-color.  But, because his skin is white and neither his name nor his language betray him, he is only considered a minority in America if he self-identifies as such and chooses to be considered a member of a minority group.  In my opinion, Marcos cannot be reasonably characterized as a "Latino advocate" or "Hispanic advocate" because he rarely mentions participation in or on behalf of these communities in his blogging.  

Moreover, the pronounced near-totallack of Latino participation at DailyKos leads me to suspect his commitment to these communities.  I note that bilingual blogging is frowned upon at DailyKos - a fact that has been raised and that continues to limit access of progressive views to progressive Latino eyes and ears.

Markos says of his early interest in politics,

"When I was 9, I forced my parents to get subscriptions to both Chicago papers."  Berkely Daily Planet

Implicit in Markos statement is the fact that there were no Spanish-language or Black newspapers in Chicago which Markos felt compelled to read.  Berkely Daily Planet

As a result of the American context, I am personally torn about issues involving skin-color and ethnicity.  Like many Black and other minority people, although I value many white people personally, I hate and struggle daily against the white supremacy paradigm, particularly against the white male monopoly of the presidency of the United States.  I and people like me have for too long been demeaned and restricted by white supremacy prejudices and prejudiced behaviors, and I cannot desist from struggling against such behavior no matter where they originate, whether within minority communities and persons or majority communities and persons.  The fact that Markos Moulitsas has Latino forbears ought no more shield him from criticism than the fact that I have brown skin should shield me from criticism.  Although the advancement of individual members of sociological minority groups often leads to new opportunities for all, yet Justice Clarence Thomas has proven to all of us that ideas and political behavior are determinative factors weighing each person's contribution.

I leave you with this question:  If I ought not criticize Markos in the progressive blogosphere, where SHOULD I criticize him?  Or is he above criticism?  

If you would order me not to criticize Markos at Daily Gotham and Culture Kitchen, please do so formally and publicly.  When I continue to criticize Markos, please censor me publicly, to allow the public to see and understand the exact degree to which Markos Moulitsas, and perhaps all progressives, are above criticism.

Cross-posted at the Francis L. Holland Blog.

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Criticism (none / 0)

I agree with (at least most) of your comments on Criticism and Banning. Personally, I don't care about Markos or his blog.


by Zimbel on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 01:12:54 PM EST

Re: Should Progressives Criticize Progressives at (3.00 / 1)

Because I have repeatedly criticized Markos Moulitsas (Kos) and DailyKos at Culture Kitchen and Daily Gotham, the publishers and responsibles at those two blogs, including Liza Sabater, "Mole333" and Michael Bouldin are actively considering banning me from these associated publications

At least from the link you provided, it does not appear that this is an honest description of why they are considering banning you or whatever it is they're considering doing. The people at that particular link, at least from reading their own words, seem to be upset not so much because of you are campaigning against DailyKos but because they feel you have been spreading falsehoods about their personal positions. That is a very different charge.

And really, that link seems to have some very germane criticisms of what you've been doing lately:

In the end, you are offering nothing to the issues you are supposedly trying to address. On the contrary, you are just getting off on stirring the shit and taking in its stink.

And in the process you are perpetuating the system of exclusion that you are supposedly trying to battle. The more you do what you do, the more you will be pushed out and ostracized. Do you get that?

Your blog post here is awfully vague about what exactly the "criticism" of DailyKos is that you're fighting to keep issuing, but as I understand it from reading your previous posts here, your criticism mostly boils down to that you see the political blogosphere as racially segregated, and you're upset about this. For the rest of this post I'm going to work under the assumption that this is the issue that the conflict at Culture Kitchen is over as well. So, your title question: "Should Progressives Criticize Progressives at Progressive Blogs?"

I think trying to address, question, or explore potential solutions to any racial segregation, de facto or otherwise, that exists in the blogosphere, is definitely something to be encouraged. I even think it would be potentially okay-- maybe even desirable!-- for that criticism to be done in a confrontational manner, because at least as I see it, when you're fighting de facto segregation your enemy isn't racism, it's complacency.   To the extent sites (like MyDD, or whoever; I don't read DailyKos) have committed any sins in perpetuating what de facto racial segregation exists in the blogosphere, the problem as I see it was not active racism, but just failing to care about the problem-- failing to notice that their community was undiverse, failing to actively care whether or not their community became diverse, failing to ask whether there's anything the could or should do about this. These aren't active or intentional sins, and so it's really hard to blame anyone for these things. But maybe they're things worth addressing, or things worth correcting. And the biggest step in addressing these things would be getting people to notice and acknowledge some sort of specific problem to solve. Probably doing that would, naturally, require occasionally engaging in harsh criticism of fellow progressives-- how, after all, could we the progressive movement see what we as a movement are doing wrong if nobody talks about it?

But I don't think you're achieving anything worthwhile here with your criticism, and I don't think your "controversial" style is even capable of doing anything to shake people out of complacency. This is because your campaigning is never about movements, or communities, or the status or inclusion of persons of color. Your fights are always about you. The status of you. The "censorship" of you. The inclusion of you, Francis L. Holland personally. Because your confrontational style invariably focuses attention on you rather than the issues, your temper tantrums totally fail to bring attention to the issues (like this de facto racial segregation thing you often complain about) you claim you're trying to get people to notice-- if anything, you distract from these things, because people don't see the issues you're trying to call attention to, they just see a crazy angry guy ranting. And because you cannot separate your own personal conflicts and agendas and vendettas from those of the movement or people you think you represent, I really expect you're just going to keep failing to connect with and eventually get kicked out by every single community you attempt to work with, and you'll never understand why.


by Silent sound on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 03:11:02 PM EST

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Interesting.  If I claimed to represent anyone OTHER than myself, people would immediately demand to know what made me think that was the case.  When US Senator Barack Obama blogged at DailyKos, there was a great debate over whether he represented anyone but himself.  It's a standing issue.  Because the issue of standing always arises before the facts can be considered, if you simply deny that a person has standing then you need not address the merits of his arguments.

I suspect that most of the people who are banned from a progressive blog just go away and forget about involving themselves in politics.  That's a shame really, since in 18 months we'll be looking those people up on street lists and trying to get them out to vote.  It might be harder, after we've told them to go screw themselves.

I read an excellent rant a few months ago, called "Quitting America", by Randall Robinson.  It's 243 pages about America's insane endeavor in Iraq; about the culture of the United States that seems so normal until one experiences another culture that is more sane and nurturing; about being a lawyer and dedicating one's life to justice in the United States, only to find that the United States still is not just enough to make it one's home.  That's a lot to rant about, and I can identify with all of it.

In 18 months, Americans will decide whom to elect for President.  The "progressive" blogosphere generally has an opposite opinion generally from the general public about whom to elect and what is more important.  This is one of the few instances when I find myself more in agreement with the general public than with the progressive blogosphere.  The question is whether I should give up on speaking with those who disagree with me or continue to engage as best I can.  

In my opinion, a large part of the difference between the polls of the general public and those of the blogosphere is attributable to the fact that members of the general public come here, find it inhospitable and their opinions unaccepted, and then they go away.  So the polls have self-selecting respondents.

Surely, I am no more representative of all Black men than a homeless man on the street is representative of all homeless people or a lawyer in a suit is representative of all members of the Bar.  The presence of one homeless man merely makes us think about all of the homeless, just as interaction with one lawyer can lead us to reflect upon the legal field.

Jesse Jackson once conceded that "I'm a tree-shaker, not a jelly-maker".  Yet, he won 16 states in 1988.  To paraphrase Jesse Jackson, if you shake trees, you might not succeed in making jelly, but if you don't shake trees, you certainly cannot make jelly.

Perhaps someone else will perceive the goals behind my advocacy and be inspired to pursue  a more effective path toward achieving those goals.  If so, then even in my failures I might inspire others' successes.


by francislholland on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 04:31:08 PM EST
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Should Progressives Criticize Progressives (3.00 / 0)

"Your blog post here is awfully vague about what exactly the 'criticism' of DailyKos is that you're fighting to keep issuing..."

He was banned from DailyKos. He has taken it upon himself to disagree with:

  1. Kos, personally (religion, politics, etc.)
  2. The method(s) used to partially, then fully ban him.
  3. The reduction of minority voices (in general) in progressive blogs.
If you're looking for detail, you can find it on his blog http://francislholland.blogspot.com/ . He wrote numerous articles on the subject.

Why he was banned is a matter of some debate (and, needless to say, if the process were open and transparent, as he suggests above, there would be little need to debate it). Suggested reasons have been:

  1. Francis is Black.
  2. Francis was advocating a minority position.
  3. Francis favors Hillary Clinton.
  4. Francis was using inflammatory language.

My brief survey of his last few posts on DailyKos suggests to me that by that time, he had a lot of firm detractors who hated anything he wrote, regardless of what it said (one of them seemed perfectly innocuous to me, and another appeared both accurate and useful). For example, several people indicated that they'd troll-rate anything he posted. I did not bother to research if they had reasonable reasons for their hatred, but I found nothing in those few posts to indicate why.

"...when you're fighting de facto segregation your enemy isn't racism, it's complacency. "

I don't think that I've heard it said better.

"Your fights are always about you."

I agree that he doesn't use the most effective literary tactics to make his points stronger.  However, I think that personalization of a broader topic can be a powerful tool for a commentator, even if he doesn't always use that tactic very effectively. On the other hand, considering the quality of the output of most diarists here, much of his recent work that he's published here is far above par.


by Zimbel on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 05:23:43 PM EST
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Not quite (2.00 / 1)

Francis, as per the usual, you make statements here which are both self-serving and false.

First, you were not 'threatened' with a ban at Culture Kitchen because of your anti-Markos views; you were told that it was unacceptable to present the blog and its editors as being in agreement with you, which you had previously done. You were told to stop spreading falsehoods, not to cease advocating for whatever points of view you may choose to hold. It doesn't matter whether we agree with those views; the disagreement arises from claims you made that are demonstrably false.

Next, The Daily Gotham did not 'threaten' you with a ban to silence your criticism. You were in fact banned, at my sole discretion and pleasure as managing editor, because of comments you made, here, in which you told Jewish posters that only Christians should take part in Democratic politics. Unfortunately for you, we don't consider 'Shut Up, Jew', or the equation of a lack of support for Hillary with white supremacy and atheism, to be a legitimate form of discourse on a blog incidentally dedicated to New York politics. Your views on Markos were, I assure you, not a factor in the decision to can your ass; your hard-right rhetoric and lack of topicality were. As a Progressive blog in and about New York, we hold ourselves at full liberty to not give voice to opinions that have nothing to do with our mission or run expressly counter to it.

And again contrary to your assertions, we explained our decision in very forceful terms, here. There was absolutely nothing hush-hush about any of this. You demand, though it is unknown what authority of yours this would be based on, a public reckoning of our decisions; that had already been made long before you posted this. It's unclear to me what exactly your goal here is, or why you claim there is secrecy involved in something that was most decidedly public.

Lastly, let me again point out that the premise underlying your claims of persecution for your points of view is as demonstrably false as the claims deconstructed above. The simple fact is that you were troll-rated by the Kos community, not banned by Kos himself. A quick search on Daily Kos reveals that you, at the risk of overlooking some things, claimed there that Al Gore was racist, that those opposing your favored 2008 nominee, Senator PanderBot, were doing so because they're white supremacists, that Kossacks would rather support David Duke than Hillary Clinton out of this alleged white-supremacy view held by the users of the site, and so on. As I laid out in a recent post on Culture Kitchen, that's a logically precarious argument. You insult people, and then claim that their anger stems not from the pertinent insults, but is in fact a reaction to your views, hence, that you are being persecuted for same. Unfortunately, most people wouldn't consider having a reasoned argument with someone who starts with the premise that they hold their views solely because they're white supremacists. That has little or nothing to do with your advocacy of Hillary or the color of your skin; the only relevant factor is the fact that you are indeed an offensive human being. Which is why you were banned by the Kos community, and certainly not by Markos himself.

It's also notable that, despite your frequent criticism of that site, you made a clear attempt, here, to ingratiate yourself with the community by posting material designed to elicit support. So you were against Daily Kos before being for it before being against it.

But in closing, let me express my appreciation of this opportunity to promote The Daily Gotham and Culture Kitchen.

- Michael Bouldin
Managing Editor
The Daily Gotham


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 05:15:54 PM EST

Re: Not quite (none / 0)

"You were in fact banned, at my sole discretion and pleasure as managing editor, because of comments you made, here, in which you told Jewish posters that only Christians should take part in Democratic politics. Unfortunately for you, we don't consider 'Shut Up, Jew', or the equation of a lack of support for Hillary with white supremacy and atheism, to be a legitimate form of discourse on a blog incidentally dedicated to New York politics."

I am failing to locate where he states anything of the sort in the link you provided, either in the article, or in his comments. I would suggest that this article (and his comments) could be taken as being favorable to Christianity and opposed to Atheism, but I don't note anything in particular for or against Judaism.


by Zimbel on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 05:36:24 PM EST
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Re: Not quite (none / 0)

The argument he had there happened to be with two of our posters who are Jewish, and who informed him of this. Since he insisted on his 'Christians are the only ones who should speak for Democrats' trope, I can only see that as an implicit rejection of the participation of Jews in political discourse. Context matters, sorry.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 05:53:54 PM EST
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Re: Not quite (3.00 / 0)

Okay; I re-read it. I'm still not seeing anything that I can construe as anti-Jew, anti-Jewish, anti-Hassidic, anti-Torah, anti-Jewish-state, or anything like it in his statements; as roughly half my family is Jewish (and multiple living members are Holocaust survivors) I'm a bit sensitive to this issue. If you'd be willing to point out the particular text that you found offensive, I'd appreciate it.


by Zimbel on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 06:34:15 PM EST
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Oh, Francis would never be that crude (3.00 / 0)

...but when you're lecturing Jewish people on how the Christian perspective is the only one you want to hear about in Democratic politics, it's anti-everybody-who's-not-Christian, and that's the same thing if you know your interlocutors are not, in fact, Christians.

Which incidentally is an odd approach to take, certainly with a view to the atheists he primarily excoriates, if you claim to be acting out of concern for minorities. But hey.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 07:02:49 PM EST
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Pro-religion (none / 0)

Ah; I interpreted that as "My religion is best", not "Your religion is bad". The former is very common for people who are religious (unfortunately, the later, too). But in any case, thanks for clarifying your position.
by Zimbel on Thu Mar 08, 2007 at 12:07:00 PM EST
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You Misinterpret the DailyKos Controversy (none / 0)

In Response to Michael Bouldin's Comments at MyDD.

Cross-posted at the Francis L. Holland Blog.

Zimbel demonstrated well above that I had not denigrated any group in my comments at Daily Gotham and so I let his answers speak in my defense.

You asserted at MyDD that I had attempted to ingratiate myself with readers of DailyKos by writing a discussion of Karl Rove.   You would have to have participated in our previous conversations there to understand that the whole essay to which you referred was really an elaborate criticism of Al Gore, a DailyKos favorite, without ever mentioning his name.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/17 /92621/866

You see, in my research I learned, first of all, that Al Gore had never graduated from law school or divinity school, arguably because he admittedly spent at least some of the time getting high, smoking marijuana.  

Al Gore has never explained at all why he failed to graduate from both divinity school and law school after two years of trying.  (You can read my essays on this at DailyKos, and the citations within, and decide if you think I'm right or not.)  I wrote quite a lot about this at DailyKos, which is the reason that "NeuvoLiberal" negatively rated so many of my diaries and comments.  She was tired of my criticisms of Al Gore, whom she adores.

Anyway, as I was researching Karl Rove's life for a comparison of him and Hillary Clinton (something else that endeared me to no one), I realized that Karl Rove and Al Gore had something important in common:  both of them had dropped out of degree programs without obtaining the degrees which they had sought.  

In the article that you referred to as an attempt at ingratiating myself with DailyKos readers, many of whom adore Al Gore, I speculated that the Iraq Civil War was caused partly by Rove starting and perpetuating the Iraq War as a political issue to use domestically, which is not a controversial view at DailyKos.  What WAS predictably controversial was my assertion that if Rove had stayed in college and graduated he might have been more prepared to grasp the complexities of the Iraq situation.

Anybody who had read my previous articles about Al Gore understood that this was a criticism of Al Gore, and also an assertion that Al Gore's failure to finish graduate school might have drastic and unforeseen consequences were he elected President of the United States. As such, the essay you referred was hardly an attempt at ingratiating myself; it was the final straw in infuriating the pro-Gore crowd at DailyKos.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78

They think it is irrelevant that Gore drank and drugged through his undergraduate education and then through two unsuccessful years of law and divinity school, and he consequently never obtained a law degree, never passed the bar and never practiced law.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78

I, however, believe that in a meritocratic society where educational attainment is highly valued and often considered to be necessary, it HAS to be relevant that Barack Obama was the magna cum laude Editor of the Harvard Law Review while Gore did not graduate from law school at all.  I simply couldn't accept the argument that Gore was more qualified and so I insisted on reviewing his qualifications, even at the risk of angering his supporters.  This is the argument and the subtext of the essay you read, and this was mentioned in the comments to that DailyKos essay. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78

I still think it is remarkable that most people don't know that Al Gore never completed law or divinity school, even after two years of trying, and even having all of the benefits of a patrician background, and even though his own mother graduated from the law school at which he failed.  If a Black person or a woman had the same background, would all of us be willing to ignore it?  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78

Or would we, more likely, conclude that it was a fatal flaw that bespoke of a weak character and or some sort of social dysfunction?  Illegally smoking marijuana AND subsequently failing to graduate from TWO graduate programs at Vanderbilt University, even though he had all of the benefits of a patrician family, with a father who was a US Senator, and even though Al Gore's mother graduated from the same Vanderbilt University law school from which he failed to graduate. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78

People at DailyKos were furious with me because I argued that Al Gore had been a beneficiary of a sort of affirmative action for wealthy white men, when he was elected to the US House of Representatives immediately after failing to graduate from law school.  Are there any examples of women and minorities receiving the same benefits of what surely could have been substantial and reasonable doubt?

As for citations for the above explosive assertions, they are all provided in a meticulously researched essay I submitted at DailyKos, entitled, "Al Gore, What Happened in Graduate School?"  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/15 /181824/78  

I explored the same topic in another diary entitled, "Crashing the White Male Supremacy Paradigm", in which I argued that "Al Gore's Career Success is a Triumph of the American White Male Supremacy Paradigm".  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/13 /17134/488  

It would certainly be outrageous to say these things about Al Gore if they were not true.  I refer you and all readers to the essays cited herein, which include copious and meticulous citations that prove every explosive and inflammatory fact cited above.  In fact, when readers at DailyKos could not disprove any of the facts included here, they said instead that they were irrelevant and should never have been reported in the first place.  I disagree.

You will note that I have not accused Al Gore personally of a skin-color-aroused animosity or of being a "white supremacist" in the conventional sense.  What I have asserted here and elsewhere is something Blacks and women know intuitively and powerfully:  People who are not white and male have to do much more to get ahead, and cannot afford to fail as others do and still succeed.

I know some people will think this is "old news", or irrelevant.  But how can we determine who is the "best person for the job" if we are unwilling to explore the academic failures of white men who are applicants?  If Barack Obama had failed law school at Harvard, (instead of graduating magna cum laude), THAT would be considered interesting and relevant in everybody's book.

So, as you can see, the article you mentioned was anything but an attempt to ingratiate myself with the Gore supporters at DailyKos.  Instead, it manifested my determination to explore, report and interpret the truth about a potential presidential candidate in the context of America, regardless of the consequences of doing so.  Knowing that others at DailyKos were working to banish me from that blog, I refrained for a day from explicity criticizing Al Gore by name, but that can hardly be considered an attempt at ingratiating myself with readers there.


by francislholland on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 04:20:36 AM EST
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Uh (1.66 / 3)

No.

Francis, the problem is that you've become the cyber equivalent of the street freak with the poster board sign, blaming person or group x for sending x-rays to read your mind. You wave your tinfoil hat around while shouting into the faces of the people trying to have a picnic, then declare they are part of the greatr conspiracy when they call a cop.

Put simply, it really has nothing to do with your content anymore. Everyone gets that you're a Hillary shill hiding under a layer of racial issues. No one really cares about that anymore.

What it really is is that you're annoying. Again, the equivalent of the wacktivist who shows up at any function with a pet issue, gets in your face about said issue whether you care or not, doesn't get the hint you are ignoring them, and refuses to go away when asked.

The issue isn't the point. Noted ones for this behavior are the old fraudsters, or the nutbags who think we planned and did 9/11 (which would require the govt. to be utterly, briliant...riiight), etc... You come off as a no life crank who keeps repeating the same thing, BECAUSE IF YOU DO SO LOUDLY AND OFTEN ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL SEE YOUR REVEALED TRUTH!

Instead, they just get tired of it and finally slam the door on the Jehovah's Witness.


by ElitistJohn on Wed Mar 07, 2007 at 05:18:46 PM EST

Re: Should Progressives Criticize Progressives (none / 0)

Can you write a SINGLE blog diary that is not about YOURSELF? I am still waiting for that insightful diary about African American issues.

And learn to write better. Your writing style is so freaking boring and overly wordy that i find it hard to read your entire diary before falling asleep.


by Pravin on Fri Mar 09, 2007 at 02:19:39 PM EST


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